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Temat: Atari XE Renew (XE-R) + Petition

Hello friends!

I am looking at site where are brand new German C64 reloaded and Czech ZX48k Sparrow motherboards:
https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/shop/pro … oaded.html
http://www.8bity.cz/2015/nahrada-desky- … rrow-lite/

And I am dreaming about Atari version little bit...

Lets brainstorm whole concept...

ATARI XE RENEW motherboard (aka Atari XE-R):

My dream is to have 65XE/800XE eci motherboard but with brand new PCB and some brand new parts:

- 6502 (overclockable to 3,58MHz??? Or maybe latter with Rapidus 65c816???)
- VBXE 2.x
- Stereo Final Pokey Upgrade or TK-2 stereo with PS/2 keyboard?
- Ultimate 1MB (with SpartaDOS+QMEG) or maybe Antonia 4MB upgrade?
- Build in internal SIDE - compact flash interface (works as internal SSD/HDD)
- HDMI video out
- 2x golden cich audio out
- Build in SDrive or Sio2SD?
- Build in SONARI (opl3+AY) soundcard or SoundBoard? + COVOX
- white PCB
- 1x led Power 1x led SD loading 1x led playing stereo

New parts+old parts together.

How should it works?
You will pay and send your old: 800XE,65XE,130XE motherboard to RENEW company or team. And recieve Atari XE-R motherboard from them.

This XE-R will create brand new standard (like AMIGA 500plus or MSX2+ was) so everyone will have same specs. So higly optimized amazing games, demos or apps will be working on everyones ATARI XE-R.

Here is my petition for this:
https://www.change.org/p/lotharek-renew … compatible

ATARIAGE:
https://i.imgsafe.org/4591c776a5.png

Atari 130XE + Atari 520STM

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There's a problem with HDMI, we had a discussion in another topic about it. You need to pay license fees when you use HDMI. DVI is a viable option, then you could just use an adapter for HDMI wink

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Few things:
- cpu has to stay at 1.7 as there are no faster 65c02 chips (and going fpga would be too weird)
- some format of expansion slot(s) maybe?
- if you have hdmi then what for audio output? merge them

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And what about EclaireXL project?:
* http://atariage.com/forums/topic/258454 … ga-project
* http://www.scrameta.net/eclairexl.html

hex, code and ror'n'rol!
"mężczyzna wydoił wielbłąda żoną"
"wcześniej miał na imię Heidi i był niemiecką kulomiotką"

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6502c in FPGA - cool !

6502c@40 :-)

http://atari.pl/hsc/ad.php?i=1.

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Whatever in FPGA is no longer Whatever ... sorry.

"tatusiu zobacz, narysowałam tobie takie same coś jak na twojej koszulce" 
jmp $e477

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Cool.
Weźmy się i zróbcie.

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I agree - white PCB and golden cinch is a must! smile

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Maybe kickstarter?

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6 signatures only in 1 day! Thanks!
https://www.change.org/p/lotharek-renew … compatible
Anyone from Poland??? To support this idea?

Atari 130XE + Atari 520STM

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I will not.

"tatusiu zobacz, narysowałam tobie takie same coś jak na twojej koszulce" 
jmp $e477

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Matej napisał/a:

(...) higly optimized amazing games, demos or apps

Of course big_smile

Czy możecie wyjaśnić, Stirlitz, dlaczego wasz służbowy adres stirlitz@rsha.gov.de ma aliasa justas@gru.su?
Nie czytam PM. Proszę używać e-mail.

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willy napisał/a:

Whatever in FPGA is no longer Whatever ... sorry.

That's not true, because even WDC themselves sell FPGA forms of their CPUs based on the original designs - these can be clocked at up to 200 (!) MHz, but is probably out of our reach. (Is it no longer Whatever if it comes from the creators of Whatever?)

Anyhow, this is a nice idea, but I fear the costs of it being prohibitive...

kontakt: asie @ pewne sieci IRC / e-mail: kontakt@asie.pl

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The painful truth is that if you want something, do it yourself. If there really was demand for such product, it would already be here in Atari world, but it isn't. So Matej, if you are not skilled in electronics, it wpn't happen soon. However I wish you good luck.

And when it comes to ZX Spcectrum you mentioned, Zaxon is producing very nice Just Speccy boards. But don't expcet him to prepare a board for Atari - he already has a lot of soldering to do.

grzybson/SSG

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FPGA is not magic processor to emulate things, but customizable chip. So in fact closer to real hardware than any emulator smile

The problem is not the problem; the problem is your attitude about the problem

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@asie:
I will not argue with you.
Just to explain some small details:
WDC is not selling any "FPGA" forms, they are selling IP in form of VHDL (usually).
What is VHDL and what is its purpose: (wiki) "VHDL was originally developed at the behest of the U.S Department of Defense in order to document the behavior of the ASICs that supplier companies were including in equipment."

So lets follow your thinking.

Linux is Linux.
Ok?
Even behind the glass ?
??
So, why do we call it ANDROID not linux?


Have a nice time with your new FPGAri (© - by me).

"tatusiu zobacz, narysowałam tobie takie same coś jak na twojej koszulce" 
jmp $e477

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For now lets XE-R8 will be just standard for:

- Atari 65XE/130XE800XE or 800XL
- 1MB RAM or more (Ultimate 1MB, Satantronic 1MB, Antonia 4MB)
- VBXE x.x
- 2x Pokey (Final Stereo, Raster Stereo, )
- SDrive or SIO2SD
- SONARI soundcard cartridge (or similar product)

XE-R16
Same as XE-R8 + 658c16 (Rapidus, F7 Turbo, Hyperspeed, Drac030 XL)

And later we will make board big_smile.
I will ask Jookie, Lotharek when this standard will be established...

So game cartridges or apps on www will have:
XE/XL - 64kb, stereo
XE-R8
XE-R16

Something similar exist on ZX,MSX etc...
ZX-enhanced
MSX+

So everyone will know when there will be XE-R8 so game will use VBXE, 1MB ram, Pokey+AY+FM, huge ATR up to 16MB...

Atari 130XE + Atari 520STM

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Matej: if you want new machine then SIDE2. SIO storage is slow.

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@willy: VHDL was created for ASICs, but they can be just as well used for FPGAs. Effectively, barring strange electrical corner cases, the same VHDL data should give the same logic on an ASIC and on an FPGA, perhaps with different maximum clock rates.

Also, you're wrong about WDC not selling FPGA forms of their IPs, see http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/ :

With 200MHz+ 8-bit W65C02S and 100MHz+ 8/16-bit W65C816S processors coming on line in ASIC and FPGA forms, we see these annual volumes continuing for a long, long time.

kontakt: asie @ pewne sieci IRC / e-mail: kontakt@asie.pl

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Hrw napisał/a:

Matej: if you want new machine then SIDE2. SIO storage is slow.

... lub wyprowadzić pełnowymiarowe ECI i mieć możliwość podłączenia czegokolwiek. Np. IDE+

Co to jest? To przecież ATARI! ... Atari? - co pan, ja nie jestem rolnikiem ;)

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Peticia neaktualna. Lebo jest to same jak 1088XEL...

Atari 130XE + Atari 520STM