Temat: ABBUC Software contest...

Hello folks,
first of all, sorry for not speaking the polish language - I am from Germany you know ! Well, this year (2003) ABBUC started the first atari software contest, with prices up to 1000 Euro. First price was 500 Euro, second price 200 Euro and 3rd-7th price 50 euro each. Alas only 5 atarians took part on this contest, with the following results:

- Neo-Tracker by EPI/Allegresse:  Did not work on the real Atari, did also not work on the emulator due to wrong (ramdisk-) bank-settings. It also did not fit to the rules, where no program should require more than 128kbytes of RAM. Thus this program was disqualified !

- SAP-XL-Player by EPI/Allegresse: Afaik, SAP is a sort of Audio-format to emulate/play-back Pokey-sounds on the PC. Most SAP sounds are rather big and since they originate from Pokey-sounds, why should anyone need an XL/XE player for those SAP sounds ?!? Well, the player program worked, but the SAP demonstration sounds (given by the author) had lengths between 300 and 980 kbytes. Thus, it could not be used properly on a 64k or 128k Atari. Therefore this program was also disqualified...

- TIP-Viewer by EPI/Allegresse: The version which was send to the contes chief did not work, fortunately I had a working copy at home ! So, the program did take part in the contest and won 50 euro...

- a dice-game (which name or author I do not remember): The game was programed in Atari Basic, was extremely slow and lame and looked like a 20 year old type-in listing from some (old) magazine. Still the game took part in the contest and won 50 euro...

- a shooter-game (which name I forgot, author: WASEO, Thorsten Helbing): The game was also programmed in Atari Basic and was extremely simple, even for a type-in listing it would have been too simple (and probably would never have been published in any of the old type-in magazines). Nevertheless the game took part in the contest and won 50 euro...


As you see, the quality rules did not fit for any given program. Some programs (like Neo-Tracker, SAP-Player) also did not fit the max. RAM-size rules, thats why no-one earned the first or second price (500 or 200 euro). But wait: The money is not lost !! ABBUC will do another contest in 2004 and therefore we will spend a whopping 1850 Euro !! So, everyone can take part in this contest, but please - be aware of the written rules !!

As far as I remember the rules are:
1) the programmer/author gives ABBUC the right to publish the program on their magazine (which has 400 subscribers!). the author does not lose the copyright, so he can make the program Freeware or PD some time after the contest...

2) the program must work on every 8Bit Atari with a minimum of 64k RAM and a maximum of 128k RAM (it is not nescessary, that the program works on any 16k or 48k Atari; but it is forbidden to make the program XL/XE incompatible or 400/800 only); since 50% of the ABBUC members still have only 64k machines, a good 64k program will be prefered over a good 128k program, nevertheless a 128k program still has the chance to take part in and win the contest...

3) the program must not require any additional and non-standard hardware (such as hardware updates/upgrades, like second Pokey/Gumby/Stereo, Covox, SID, sound-card, graphic-card, second Antic, second GTIA, harddisk, CD-ROM, Flash-RAM-card, FLASH-ROM-card, etc. etc.) but it might support some of these hardware upgrades, as long as it still works on a normal atari computer. The program might as well support any of the Atari input devices, like keyboard, joystick, paddles, lightpen/lightgun, or (st-) mouse; but one should avoid the not so common input devices like: Atari Touch tablet, Koala pad, CX-85 numeric keypad, VCS touchpads (numeric keypads), etc.;

4) if the program uses extra-ram or ramdisk it should a) be compatible to the 130XE standard and b) not use the separate Antic access. Thus, it should use the standard banks E3, E7, EB and EF and it should work on any XL/XE/XEGS machine that is upgraded with such extra-ram / ramdisk.
(Thats where neo-tracker failed: it used the banks x2, x6, xA and xE, which switched off the OS and thus crashed the computer; standard 320k memory settings are:  23,27,2b,2f,63,67,6b,6f,a3,a7,ab,af,e3,e7,eb,ef for compyshop and megaram ramdisks; and: 83,87,8b,8f,a3,a7,ab,af,c3,c7,cb,cf,e3,e7,eb,ef  for most other ramdisks, like toms, newell, rambo, etc.  But as said before: only programs that use a max. of 128kbytes RAM will take part in the ABBUC software contest!)

5) Quality: the most difficult part, I know. the program should meet some quality aspects to win the first or second price. As for now, programs that look like 20 year old type-in listings or programs that have been there before a dozen of times (gr. 9+11 viewers, clones of Pong, Breakout, Tron, Tetris, etc) will not have this chance... You know, the chief of the software contest (Sorin Pascu) and the chief of ABBUC (Wolfgang Burger), as well as the ABBUC members will discuss and vote for this rule (so don`t blame me)...

Thats all what I remember of the rules. Afaik ABBUC will present a homepage for the software contest soon (somewhere at www.abbuc.de). There you can read the rules and view some pics of the software contest 2003. There you can also take part for the software contest 2004. As said before, for the software contest 2004 ABBUC will spend 1850 euro - a good chance for everyone to win some money...   greetings from ABBUC, Andreas Magenheimer.

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pewnie powiecie ze sie czepiam, ale wymagania sprzetowe to maja wypasione...

przy okazji gratulacje dla EPI

http://atari.pl/hsc/ad.php?i=1.

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No to epi ma za co jechac na party :)

Kongratulejszynz

Czy możecie wyjaśnić, Stirlitz, dlaczego wasz służbowy adres stirlitz@rsha.gov.de ma aliasa justas@gru.su?
Nie czytam PM. Proszę używać e-mail.

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moglby to ktos przetlumaczyc, i czy ja dobrze rozumiem ze EPiemu dadza 50 Euro jak wypnie tylek i nasmaruje go wazelina ;)?

*- TeBe/Madteam
3x Atari 130XE, SDX, CPU 65816, 2x VBXE, 2x IDE Plus rev. C

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Epi - gratulacje!!!

No to pijemy - jak MUS-TAK to MUSTAK hehe!!  :D  :D  :D  :D

I Ty zostaniesz big endianem...

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EPI - stawiasz wino na party!!!

Sikor umarł...

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Epi pierwszy wszedł do EUROpy!

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Kongretulejszyn Epi!

Bedziem chlać!

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ja to zrozumiałem, że były prawie same gnioty...

ale brawo Epiemu - trudy zostały nagrodzone.

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Kongretulejszyn Epi!
Bedziem chlać!

Znaczy sie Epi stawia ? ;) W koncu ma za co :)

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No wlasnie o to chodzi.... :)

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Nie no spoko, tylko tipview to był najgorszy program jaki wystawiłem, nie rozumiem aluzji, że coś tam nie spełnia regulaminu, bo specjalnie pisałem neo 1.4, zeby odpalał sie na 130xe, a poza tym jak na razie nikt nie dał mi znać, że mu sie coś przez ram wysyfiło..... od kiedy SAPy maja prawie 1MB? Nie wspominajac już o nowym unzipie, który spełniał wymagania regulaminu ze sporym zapasem a jego jakość gwarantuje gruntowne testowanie przez 0xF-a. I co? Organizatorzy przemilczeli go od poczatku do konca. Prawdopodobnie niedlugo z Foxem przygotujemy maly reportaz nt. tego compo. Co, Foxie?
Ale bede na Lascie, to fakt, przy czym nie wiem ile stawiam, bo zgodnie z tradycja musze nabyc tegoroczne nry atarynki (Yo, Sajkor!) no i jakoś dojechać i wrócić a pkp nie wozi za darmo. ;)
zobaczymy na miejscu.
zapraszam na sztab do PGM-malopolska do Krakowa! juz w sobote! :)

Hitler, Stalin, totalniak, SSman, NKWDzista, kaczor dyktator, za długo byłem w ChRL, wypowiadam się afektywnie.

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moglby to ktos przetlumaczyc, i czy ja dobrze rozumiem ze EPiemu dadza 50 Euro jak wypnie tylek i nasmaruje go wazelina ;)?

Gdybys jeszcze widzial co wypisuja w listach, to bylbys tego pewien.

Hitler, Stalin, totalniak, SSman, NKWDzista, kaczor dyktator, za długo byłem w ChRL, wypowiadam się afektywnie.

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ja to zrozumiałem, że były prawie same gnioty...

ale brawo Epiemu - trudy zostały nagrodzone.

nie no, w ogóle dzięki (wszystkim).
ale fakt, że były same gnioty wynika z tego, że do dobrych programów wyssali z palca albo ch** wi skąd bzdurne uwagi...
tyle co mam do powiedzenia

MM: Epi! Przeginasz z ilością postów jeden za drugim. Tylko ze względu na nagrodę w compo obędzie się bez bana... :)

Hitler, Stalin, totalniak, SSman, NKWDzista, kaczor dyktator, za długo byłem w ChRL, wypowiadam się afektywnie.

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Hmmm,
since I do not understand polish language, I cannot understand your comments. Hopefully they were not too negative. Once again: ABBUC makes another Atari Software contest in 2004 !! The Deadline is the last weekend of August 2004. ABBUC spends up to 1850 Euro (1000 Euro for the contest 2004 plus the remaining 850 euro from 2003) in total. Since I am not the chief of the software contest, I can merely guess, that MAYBE the first place/price will be 1000 euro, the second place/price will be 500 Euro, etc. (but that may change).

Anyway - as you could see from the results of 2003, almost everyone has a good chance in winning a price, as long as he creates a) a good program (game or application) and b) fullfills the rules (no more than 128kbytes memory required, no extra hardware required, program must run on original Atari, etc.). So hopefully in 2004 more programmers from Poland will take part in this software contest...   greetings from ABBUC, Andreas Magenheimer.

P.S.: I will inform you when the new homepage for the software contest and its rules is online...

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...Moim zdaniem ABBUC odpierdolił bucówke;- szczególnie chodzi o NeoTrackera; nie wiem jaki standart ext ram tam chłopcy mają; może niemiecka wersja 130XE ma Z zamiast Y... w ramie ..kurna::

Czeplin - niech się lepiej nie czepia i kupi sobie translator jeśli nie rozumie co tu się pisze. Sorrki;- :D ..hehehehe

Epi; GRATULACJE;- lepiej TIP niż nic;- w sumie masz za co na lasta jechać;- :D

ADRES: pin@atari.pl - konto zlikwidowane. Aktualny adres: pin(at)atari8.info

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Popatrzcie na date dołączenia mr. czarliego :) hehehehehe

Charlie: I read all emails send between ABBUC and Fox, so I can't write any positive comments - sorry. I'm afraid next year it can be the same, so I won't send any programs for programming contest 2004.

Jak myślicie: czy to moralne wziąć kase a potem bluzgać?

Hitler, Stalin, totalniak, SSman, NKWDzista, kaczor dyktator, za długo byłem w ChRL, wypowiadam się afektywnie.

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No to na najblizsze spotkania OS mamy sponsora... :) grats Epi:)

Prawdopodobienstwo, ze dotre na jakis zlot jest odwrotnie proporcjonalne do czestotliwosci marudzenia przelozonego i wprost proporcjonalne do czestotliwosci marudzenia brata.

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Ta, generalnie organizacja compo byla taka, ze no szkoda gadac. Wszystkie przekrety na wszystkich party o jakich slyszeliscie razem wziete to nic. To, co napisal Andreas w tym topicu to nieprawda - tak oficjalnie twierdzi ABBUC. Poczekamy jeszcze troche i zobaczymy. Jeszcze nic pewnego, ze napijemy sie z Epim za ich kase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE

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Ok - so where i can see/download these prods?

As registered user of ABBUC only???

But I don`t know if there any sense to become member of ABBUC to see loads of shit? - correct me if I am wrong...  :?

I Ty zostaniesz big endianem...

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1000 EUROsów... Czlowiek moglby sie zastanowic, gdyby mial pewnosc, ze zadnych przekretow nie bedzie... jakas prosta platformowka, to pare tygodni robty :P

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Well,
since the authors keep the copyright, you can get a copy directly from them (EPI, Russ Gilbert, Thorsten Helbing). Alternatively you can download the software from abbuc homepage. If I remember correctly you must only register (like in atari-area), but i might be wrong!  You know, I am a member of ABBUC, so ...   greetings, andreas magenheimer.

P.S.: Afaik Neo-Tracker and TIP-Viewer were released before the ABBUC contest (as freeware or PD-stuff). So, 50 Euro are not much money, yes - but without the contest the author would not have got any money at all...